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lobelia321If one has a thought in the bath, it is imperative that one run and type it into one's update box for it may be an ephemeral thought and be lost on the winds of synaptic decrepitude. Hence the following.
I have previously expounded on the four feet of fandom (and I haven't quite decided yet whether these are the metaphorical feet of tables or the metaphorical feet of metre). To refresh: the four feet are: man-on-man lust action, writing, community and fanship. Anyway, I just again want to reinforce my own prime foot, which is the foot of the man-on-man.
I think if this whole shebang suddenly turned het, I would lose interest. I would stop reading the fic, and I would certainly not develop an interest in the canon, and I would probably go slow on the community aspect as well.
But I could lose the fandoms and I could lose the writing, even, if the hot-boy-love were retained. The community is a more difficult one: the community is essential to me, but then, I think, it is essential because there is a consensus of shared hot-boy-love. If that weren't there, it might not feel like a community to me any longer. It's a substratum because half the time these days I don't really talk about the hot-boy-lust anymore with Friends or in posts but I know in case I ever need to do a brief gush, it would fall on sympathetic minds.
So to me the community and the hot-boy-love is intertwined.
Of course, I love good prose and the writing. And sometimes in the past it's felt as if this place was more important to me as a writing workshop-style place than as a place to celebrate teh manly love. I've had to realise, though, that pretensions to writerly highmindedness r not me. Alas, perhaps, but 'tis so. I'm here for the slash, and the slash is teh manly. Basically, teh slash is teh cock, and I likes teh cock.
I saw a film recently called Go Fish, centred on a group of lesbians in the USA somewhere. There is a scene where a woman is accused by other women of not being a 'real lesbian' because she has slept with a man: You can't do without that dick, or words to that effect, are spoken. And I thought, hm, that's me allright. I can't do without the dick. I am just too straight. Born straight, grown up straight, stayed straight.
'Straight' does not exclude leanings and occasional yearnings and every-now-and-again spurts of desire for the same sex. Hah, not for me, anyway. And although I have hundreds of pics of Orli and co on my hard disk, I also have some hard-core porn pics of women. But basically I am irredeemably heterosexual because I just like the idea of that dick in that cunt too much.
Which brings me to another strand in my somewhat rambling, topic-less post (well, what is to be expected from something spawned in the bath?): This is the notion that slash is het sexuality projected onto men. Or that it is feminine sexuality projected onto men. This gets debated every so often and some people put on tin hats and start bowing down to the Male Gods who deign to post with their supposedly superior knowledge of anatomy and physiology and psychology of teh holy male. Well, I crap on teh holy male (residue of my 1980s feminist past, no doubt) and I celebrate the projections.
The projections do sometimes veer into silly territory, but then, anything that is silly is to me bad!fic so I happily discount it. Good! fic can pull off anything. And when I ponder this, the fondness for the lube springs to mind. There is a lot of lube in slash, and I suspect there is more lube in slash than there is in gay porn. Now, one thing I like about vaginas is that they self-lube -- this is truly a marvellous thing and thank you, God or Evolution or the Primary Gene that came up with it. The absence of the self-lube function seems to worry a lot of fanfic writers so much is made of substitute lubes. Personally, I like this. It vaginalises the rectum, and I sort of get a kick out of that. Because actually, the rectum as such is not an oral zone for me. (ETA: I mean erogeonous zone! Freudian or what?) It could be; after all, anal sex is something that both men and women can have -- women only as bottoms, of course. (More on this in a second.) But the rectum does not happen to be an oral zone for me, or not a very important one, at any rate. This could be for reasons of having been repressed, I don't deny it. And maybe I am projecting my repressed desire for anal sex onto teh boys...? (Being repressed, I wouldn't know, would I?) However, it feels to me as if in fanfic it's the vagina wot is being projected.
Which brings me neatly to my next point: the bottom issue. I have not made a statistical survey of this but possibly, perhaps, maybe there is greater identification with the bottom among women slashers than there is with the top?? I am wondering to what extent a writer's Sue tends to be the bottom. For me, in my own writing, I am totally the bottom. I am so bottom I am passive sub. (Bottom and sub are not the same, I know. Bottoms can be very powerful and actually have the say-so in any relationship -- which is the kink of the bottom, to me.) This is not to say that I don't get a kick also from top-characters and also, deliciously, from switch-characters. (The nicest thing about Domorli in lotrps was always their equality.) But from the point of view of letting experience enter one's fanfic joy, I have experience of being fucked but no experience of fucking, nor will I ever have the latter. (Nor am I even much interested in the latter as deep down I actually believe women to have the more interesting and joy-bringing genitalia than men who have a very wysiwyg arrangement.)
Anyway, to sum up: I don't really have anything to sum up. These are random musings born of t'bath. I just know that people are here for different reasons: some are dyed-in-the-wool fans and would throng to actor conventions even if fanfic disappeared; others love canon and just really get off on the interstices of episodes or chapters or narrative ellipses and how these all get filled in by fanfic (they care more about plot than about sex); but I'm here for the sex.
Bring it on. And not just any old sex: the swoony, the gorgeous, the NC-17, the slashy slushy glorious hot boy-on-boy and man-on-man love-action sex.
I have previously expounded on the four feet of fandom (and I haven't quite decided yet whether these are the metaphorical feet of tables or the metaphorical feet of metre). To refresh: the four feet are: man-on-man lust action, writing, community and fanship. Anyway, I just again want to reinforce my own prime foot, which is the foot of the man-on-man.
I think if this whole shebang suddenly turned het, I would lose interest. I would stop reading the fic, and I would certainly not develop an interest in the canon, and I would probably go slow on the community aspect as well.
But I could lose the fandoms and I could lose the writing, even, if the hot-boy-love were retained. The community is a more difficult one: the community is essential to me, but then, I think, it is essential because there is a consensus of shared hot-boy-love. If that weren't there, it might not feel like a community to me any longer. It's a substratum because half the time these days I don't really talk about the hot-boy-lust anymore with Friends or in posts but I know in case I ever need to do a brief gush, it would fall on sympathetic minds.
So to me the community and the hot-boy-love is intertwined.
Of course, I love good prose and the writing. And sometimes in the past it's felt as if this place was more important to me as a writing workshop-style place than as a place to celebrate teh manly love. I've had to realise, though, that pretensions to writerly highmindedness r not me. Alas, perhaps, but 'tis so. I'm here for the slash, and the slash is teh manly. Basically, teh slash is teh cock, and I likes teh cock.
I saw a film recently called Go Fish, centred on a group of lesbians in the USA somewhere. There is a scene where a woman is accused by other women of not being a 'real lesbian' because she has slept with a man: You can't do without that dick, or words to that effect, are spoken. And I thought, hm, that's me allright. I can't do without the dick. I am just too straight. Born straight, grown up straight, stayed straight.
'Straight' does not exclude leanings and occasional yearnings and every-now-and-again spurts of desire for the same sex. Hah, not for me, anyway. And although I have hundreds of pics of Orli and co on my hard disk, I also have some hard-core porn pics of women. But basically I am irredeemably heterosexual because I just like the idea of that dick in that cunt too much.
Which brings me to another strand in my somewhat rambling, topic-less post (well, what is to be expected from something spawned in the bath?): This is the notion that slash is het sexuality projected onto men. Or that it is feminine sexuality projected onto men. This gets debated every so often and some people put on tin hats and start bowing down to the Male Gods who deign to post with their supposedly superior knowledge of anatomy and physiology and psychology of teh holy male. Well, I crap on teh holy male (residue of my 1980s feminist past, no doubt) and I celebrate the projections.
The projections do sometimes veer into silly territory, but then, anything that is silly is to me bad!fic so I happily discount it. Good! fic can pull off anything. And when I ponder this, the fondness for the lube springs to mind. There is a lot of lube in slash, and I suspect there is more lube in slash than there is in gay porn. Now, one thing I like about vaginas is that they self-lube -- this is truly a marvellous thing and thank you, God or Evolution or the Primary Gene that came up with it. The absence of the self-lube function seems to worry a lot of fanfic writers so much is made of substitute lubes. Personally, I like this. It vaginalises the rectum, and I sort of get a kick out of that. Because actually, the rectum as such is not an oral zone for me. (ETA: I mean erogeonous zone! Freudian or what?) It could be; after all, anal sex is something that both men and women can have -- women only as bottoms, of course. (More on this in a second.) But the rectum does not happen to be an oral zone for me, or not a very important one, at any rate. This could be for reasons of having been repressed, I don't deny it. And maybe I am projecting my repressed desire for anal sex onto teh boys...? (Being repressed, I wouldn't know, would I?) However, it feels to me as if in fanfic it's the vagina wot is being projected.
Which brings me neatly to my next point: the bottom issue. I have not made a statistical survey of this but possibly, perhaps, maybe there is greater identification with the bottom among women slashers than there is with the top?? I am wondering to what extent a writer's Sue tends to be the bottom. For me, in my own writing, I am totally the bottom. I am so bottom I am passive sub. (Bottom and sub are not the same, I know. Bottoms can be very powerful and actually have the say-so in any relationship -- which is the kink of the bottom, to me.) This is not to say that I don't get a kick also from top-characters and also, deliciously, from switch-characters. (The nicest thing about Domorli in lotrps was always their equality.) But from the point of view of letting experience enter one's fanfic joy, I have experience of being fucked but no experience of fucking, nor will I ever have the latter. (Nor am I even much interested in the latter as deep down I actually believe women to have the more interesting and joy-bringing genitalia than men who have a very wysiwyg arrangement.)
Anyway, to sum up: I don't really have anything to sum up. These are random musings born of t'bath. I just know that people are here for different reasons: some are dyed-in-the-wool fans and would throng to actor conventions even if fanfic disappeared; others love canon and just really get off on the interstices of episodes or chapters or narrative ellipses and how these all get filled in by fanfic (they care more about plot than about sex); but I'm here for the sex.
Bring it on. And not just any old sex: the swoony, the gorgeous, the NC-17, the slashy slushy glorious hot boy-on-boy and man-on-man love-action sex.