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lobelia321In the car, I heard Leading Lives on BBC Radio 4 (repeated tonight at 9.30). It was about, whaddayaknow, fandom.
They had David Essex and a guy from Take That and a woman called Louise Remings (or similar) who wrote the diaries of a 14-year old (based on her own pubescent fannishness) and some other man whose name escapes me.
Some things they mused on:
Fandom is sexual but does not necessarily involve wishing to have sex with the star (at least not in adolescence). In fact, all of the people (both the ex-fan and the ex-heartthrobs) reported that when coming face-to-face with a fan (hiding in their wardrobe, for example), fans ended up being completely tongue-tied and not knowing what to do or think.
My own musing: drooling is not like having a crush over boy at your local Boots or boy mixing the mag. It's about drooling over people who are Larger than Life (Velvet Goldmine, hello!). F2f is not larger than life, it's normal. F2f and Larger than Life is perhaps, on some levels, incommensurate.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
thejennabides, though, what do you think, being an inveterate f2f'er?? But also a tongue-tied helpless person when in the presence of the Curly One, heh!!
What else did they say? Oh yes, interesting: some hormone called oxytocin is released when being touchy-feely, and it is also present in women to a much larger extent than in men, and especially in adolescent girls. They were musing on the possible connection of oxytocin to fannishness.
Hah!!! I love it! A pseudo-hormono-scientific-genetico explanation!!
"Oh, sorry, Mr Bloom, for throwing myself at your crotch. It's me oxytocin levels."
Also: fans move in packs. They cited the example of a former Bay City Rollers fan (*screams*) who wrote an autobiography. It was all about getting together with the other fans (all girls), going to concerts, making friends. They're all now married and have kids and still she hangs out with those friends from fandom days.
Me: This, of course, chimes in with my musings about the Four Feet of Fandom: community overrules boy-on-boy and fandom.
Next, I want to muse on how slashfans are different from other fans. (Superior, of course! By far!!)
They had David Essex and a guy from Take That and a woman called Louise Remings (or similar) who wrote the diaries of a 14-year old (based on her own pubescent fannishness) and some other man whose name escapes me.
Some things they mused on:
Fandom is sexual but does not necessarily involve wishing to have sex with the star (at least not in adolescence). In fact, all of the people (both the ex-fan and the ex-heartthrobs) reported that when coming face-to-face with a fan (hiding in their wardrobe, for example), fans ended up being completely tongue-tied and not knowing what to do or think.
My own musing: drooling is not like having a crush over boy at your local Boots or boy mixing the mag. It's about drooling over people who are Larger than Life (Velvet Goldmine, hello!). F2f is not larger than life, it's normal. F2f and Larger than Life is perhaps, on some levels, incommensurate.
thejennabides, though, what do you think, being an inveterate f2f'er?? But also a tongue-tied helpless person when in the presence of the Curly One, heh!!What else did they say? Oh yes, interesting: some hormone called oxytocin is released when being touchy-feely, and it is also present in women to a much larger extent than in men, and especially in adolescent girls. They were musing on the possible connection of oxytocin to fannishness.
Hah!!! I love it! A pseudo-hormono-scientific-genetico explanation!!
"Oh, sorry, Mr Bloom, for throwing myself at your crotch. It's me oxytocin levels."
Also: fans move in packs. They cited the example of a former Bay City Rollers fan (*screams*) who wrote an autobiography. It was all about getting together with the other fans (all girls), going to concerts, making friends. They're all now married and have kids and still she hangs out with those friends from fandom days.
Me: This, of course, chimes in with my musings about the Four Feet of Fandom: community overrules boy-on-boy and fandom.
Next, I want to muse on how slashfans are different from other fans. (Superior, of course! By far!!)
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Date: 2003-07-16 04:06 am (UTC)And no, I'm not really kidding. You're talking to the last fan standing in France, lol. I loved them madly, still have all of their albums, as well as Michael's solo one, and of course, all of Robbie's... I guess that means I'm pathetic.
That said I'd really really like to know who was on that show you listened to. :-)
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Date: 2003-07-16 05:37 am (UTC)I know nothing about Take That. He said he was known as the pretty one. Does that help? As in, not the jokey one or the serious one.
Um.
It's on again tonight, 9.30 English time. Can you get BBC radio in France? Some of their programmes are played on their website.
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Date: 2003-07-16 10:12 am (UTC)And yes, it does worry me somewhat that I can admit to knowing that.
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Date: 2003-07-16 10:25 am (UTC)Now, I've gotta go see if I can find a way to listen to that program from here... mmmm...
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Date: 2003-07-16 01:39 pm (UTC)Take That!
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Date: 2003-07-16 05:02 pm (UTC)i knew that too!
*runs away*
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Date: 2003-07-16 10:15 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-07-16 10:29 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-07-16 02:56 pm (UTC)I perked up (indeed, almost woke from semi-slumber) at the mention of oxytocin -- I've read an SF novel recently in which there's a 'designer intimacy' drug of the same name (a synthesised version of the hormone) which is taken by two characters who are in the process of falling in love ... basically, it fabricates a state of being of the same wavelength -- an almost-telepathic sense of togetherness and understanding (though one character does remark to the other how understood he felt on a previous, pre-oxytocin occasion).
Am fascinated to find that oxytocin is real, is being studied and is probably happening in my brain right now. I can't really imagine the effect of deliberately taking a dose of it, though.
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Date: 2003-07-17 02:29 am (UTC)I believe you can. Every time I ogle curlpic, I feel the effect.
No doubt, is same for you with cleftchinned pic.
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Date: 2003-07-16 05:01 pm (UTC)fandom - hmm, i have never actually thought of Legolas in a sexual way, even before i discovered slash. on the other hand, i am very pervy for Orli. in fact, i think the reason i read rps is because i don't want to think of him with another girl. if -i- can't have him, then no other girl should, sort of thing.
during my university days, i worked for a music television station, sort of like mtv or muchmusic, but on a small, local scale, so i have met loads of bands. i am not easily starstruck, but i fear that, should i ever have the good fortune to meet Orli of the Curly Locks, i might be tongue-tied and do no more than give him a good sniff.
slashfans are different from the run of the mill fans in that we don't want the object of our affections for ourselves, we want him for another pretty. it's like, you don't want to snog Orli of the Curly Locks yourself, you want jack davenport to snog him. that sort of thing.
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Date: 2003-07-20 02:35 am (UTC)slashfans are different from the run of the mill fans in that we don't want the object of our affections for ourselves, we want him for another pretty. it's like, you don't want to snog Orli of the Curly Locks yourself, you want jack davenport to snog him.
I think your point about 'if i can't have him, nobody else should' is absolutely right. Well, that's part of it anyway. For me, it started with the boy-on-boy and only veered towards drooling over the months. And I still get off on pairing people I would personally not have the remotest interest in (I do *not* want to do anything with or to Bernard Hill but I do get a kick out of having him do stuff with and to Karl and John.)
Someone said, (I'll look it up if you like) that the erotics are not necessarily in the *person* but bound up with the entire situation. This is certainly true for me in slash terms. The entire *scene* and the *dynamics* between two personalities is what crackles. And that is where fanfic differs from standard droolage: it's got narrative, so there needs to be plot and scene and dynamics to get things moving. Drooling is more static and also more passive: I stare mesmerised at prettypic or swoon over Graham Norton clip. But what lasts are the stories.
It's very complex. Even just writing this, I'm wondering , is this the *whole* story? It's easy to dismiss it all as either this or that, but I think the slash thing is so multilayered and also means so many different things to different people. This is why I'm always musing about it. It's of neverending fascination.
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Date: 2003-07-20 02:25 pm (UTC)now see, it's the opposite for me. i tend not to read slash of pretty i'm not pervy for; though i would read fanfic of pretty i'm not pervy for. i'm just not interested in people i don't fancy getting it on.
Someone said, (I'll look it up if you like) that the erotics are not necessarily in the *person* but bound up with the entire situation.
this is true. i have to feel the love, and the characters have to be doing something i can get into.
I think the slash thing is so multilayered and also means so many different things to different people. This is why I'm always musing about it. It's of neverending fascination.
it does mean different things to different people. but i try not to question it. i mean, i like what i like. slash entertains and amuses me. and i leave it at that. but i do like to read about why other people do the things they do, so i'm glad you're analytical and post about your ruminations.