whose war?

May. 29th, 2004 10:47 am
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This was in the Guardian on Tuesday. It appears that we have been going off to Iraq to fight Iran's war. What a nice piece of irony. It would make me laugh (it did) if it weren't so tragically absurd as well. It's an absolutely extraordinary bit of news, to discover that false information fed to the CIA by Iranian agents via an Iraqi source was at the root about all this hysterical lying about 'weapons of mass destruction'. The Iranians appear to have made these up, and like good little dogs, the Americans rolled over and did their dirty work for them.

It doesn't take much to dupe a super power, it would seem.

I am still bamboozled, though, about the ideological ramifications of all this. It makes the brain spin. And I still don't understand why. Why the US went, and why Blair went along with them.

It also makes you realise that a culture based on non-transparency (as are secret services) sets itself up for this kind of shit. If nobody knows who is feeding information to whom from whom and if the public are just being 'assured' that yes, there is a 'source', then we're living in Wonderland.

Hello, teletubbies. Here, have some machine guns.

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Date: 2004-05-29 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vasiliki.livejournal.com
It doesn't take much to dupe a super power, it would seem.

And I still don't understand why. Why the US went, and why Blair went along with them.


Don't be naive. Don't you recognize the function of scapegoats? The only reason the US governement "trusted" the information passed on to them was because they WANTED to invade Iraq. Bush Jr inherited an agenda by his father, and the personal profits for himself and other top members of his administration were enormous. What they're trying to do now is to present themselves as victims of yet another evil Arab country.

Don't forget that the UN field investigations reported NO sign of WMD. Don't forget that many European, Arab, and other leaders questioned the same "evidence" the American leadership eagerly accepted as authentic. Would the President of the United States "believe" a man who wouldn't survive a background check for the simplest job over UN experts, if he wasn't in search for an excuse to invade Iraq?

(no subject)

Date: 2004-05-29 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobelia321.livejournal.com
Well, I don't like being called naive in my own LiveJournal and I certainly know the arguments you are summarising here. I still don't understand why Bush needed that particular scapegoat and was willing to incur a Philippines-like disaster for short-term gains.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-05-30 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vasiliki.livejournal.com
I'm very-very sorry, I didn't consider that word to be bad.

Dominance in the Middle-East (oil!) isn't a short-term gain. Besides, neo-cons are avid Zionists, so it's natural to protect their (Israel's) interests in the area. Ideology and gains have always guided politics and people's actions.

(no subject)

Date: 2004-05-30 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobelia321.livejournal.com
But I'm not sure how Iraq and Israel hang together in this instance. Stirring things up in Iraq is actually not good for the region, is it?

faulty assets

Date: 2004-05-29 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] office-ennui.livejournal.com
yeah i was shocked by the news story too but not so surprised. part of the american homeland security measures were to lesson the background checks for foreign "assets" (or spies) that had been put in place under clinton for the fiasco that happened in guatamala. what i dont understand is if this war was about oil why the hell are gas prices so high? i also am amazed that no one has taken up the halbuteron, ie the american vice president's company, making billions in "rebuilding" iraq was never more legally challenged. the world is very scary indeed.

Re: faulty assets

Date: 2004-05-29 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobelia321.livejournal.com
But surely at the moment nobody can be making 'millions' out of Iraq? The place is a shambles. Or is it?

Re: faulty assets

Date: 2004-05-30 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] office-ennui.livejournal.com
the institute for souther studies explains how better than i ever could , but government subsidized contracts are one way - it's all really really disgusting how people profit from war. the place is in shambles. my sister works for an organization that collects information about human rights abuses and freedom of information - she has been saying that the corporations given contracts for iraq have set up their own security forces because the "coalition" forces dont have the man power to protect them which means that these corporate security forces have no oversight at all for what they are doing. it's very very scary.

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