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I am not sure whom to be for in this match. I think I will wait and see how they play.

Why I would be for Portugal:
• Because they are one of the teams I have been supporting (along with Australia, Germany, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Mexico and Brazil), and they are the only of 'my' teams to make it through to this stage
• I am obsessed with Cristiano Ronaldo's beauty.
• Because their kit is wine-red and looks cool.
• Because they have never won the World Cup and not made it to the semi-finals for 40 years. Both France and Italy are former champions.
• Because they entranced me at Euro 2004 and were cheated out of the Cup by Greece.

Why I would be for France:
• Because they played like angels against Brazil. And even though I desperately wanted Brazil to go through to play Portugal, I finally had to succumb to the superior powers of the demi-gods Zidane, Henry and Ribéry.
• Because they are grand-dads who are staging a come-back, and if Zidane is a grand-dad at age 34, then I am a revived mummy. So it is good to see the not-even-so-middle-aged mature gents stick it to the bumfluff-moustache fly-off-the-handle young jocks.
• Because their World Cup win in 1998 was so moving.
• Because I am obsessed with Cristiano Ronaldo's beauty. And no matter what happens, I get to see Cristiano a second time, and in a way it would be fun to have him play Germany for third place on Saturday.
• Because I am obsessed with Cristiano Ronaldo weeping. And if he loses against France, he will weep. And I will tape it.

Why I will decide as I watch:
• Because my over-riding desire right now is to beat Italy, I will watch them tonight and decide who is more likely to achieve this on Sunday. And if France plays as they did against Brazil, that will be France. At the moment, I can't see Portugal doing it. They are simply not good enough. But if the French suddenly fall down with Alzheimer's and exhaustion from their Brazil extravaganza, that will be a problem, too. Because the Italians are very strong!

But I bear a grudge.

I suppose I should bear the grudge against Spanish referee Luis Medina Cantalejo who awarded the 89th-minute penalty against Australia after Fabio Grossi's spectacular am dram dive and not against the Italians. After all, they tried their diving tricks yesterday but it didn't get them anywhere because wonderful Mexian ref Benito Archundia would have none of it and just let them tumble like Olympic athletes on the floormat.

Tonight's referee is the Uruguayan Jorge Larrionda.



A note on homophobia, patriarchy and the England game:
It distresses and upsets me to see the hate-fest unleashed against my pretty baby in the country wherein I reside. I detect xenophobia in the pundits' and punters' tirades, as well as homophobia (they like to call him 'ladyboy'). I might even have enough brainspace left to offer an analysis of masculine identity formation, patriarchy and football. Hoho. Because the Men Who Love Men are unfortunately also the Men Who Hate Men. And they hate them for interesting reasons that are often almost the same as the reasons they love them. Especially the attitude to masculine beauty is an ambivalent one because bound up with the anxious desire to fend off any suspicion of the Men's homosocial lust tipping over into actual homosexual lust. So they project the homosexual lust that they are terrified of being suspected of onto the beautiful ephebes themselves. Hence the weird epithet 'ladyboy' which could be read both ways: a ladyboy is someone who is popular with the ladies, and a ladyboy is someone who is actually himself a bit of a lady.

It's the latter interpretation that, I think, prevails right now; he is too beautiful to be a Real Man so he must be a bit of a Non-Man. And a Non-Man is always a pin-up pouf.

Unless he is David Beckham. In which case he floats, like Brad Pitt, above these skirmishes in the foot hills.

I have also been thinking about homophobia within football, and I think it is quite rife. I don't know of any footballers who are gay and 'out' (Flist, anybody?). The overwhelming type-casting for footballers is heterosexual, and a gaggle of wags guarantees this. The more they paw each other on the pitch, the more the image of thei inherent heterosexuality must be upheld. If, forfend, one of them would actually be a 'real' homosexual (as opposed to a feverishly imagined 'ladyboy' or a homosocial post-goal groper), this would topple the entire edifice of permissible groping. And that would throw them all into such dithers of anxiety it would Not Be Good.

They are so frail, are men. Where would they be without patriarchy? All dead. They'd have stove each others' heads in before reaching the age of reason. Which, for men, seems to be around 32 at the earliest. Which is why referees need to be older than the players, and why coaches need to be grey-templed. They are the patriarchs. They are the lead-wolves who keep the pack in check.




Pics of referees
Jorge Larrionda, Uruguay: France/Portugal


Benito Archundia, Mexico: Germany/Italy


Luis Medina Cantalejo, Spain: Australia/Italy


Valentin Ivanov, Russia, he of the legendary 20 cards in Netherlands/Portugal:


Graham Poll, England, he of the legendary third yellow card in Australia/Croatia:


And here my favourite referee of all time, Pierluigi Collina, Italy, who has, alas, retired now but oh, how he could terrify a pack of 22 men into submission simply by looking at them:

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Date: 2006-07-05 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seraphitta.livejournal.com
ZOMG! I love Collina too.
I don't really wantItaly to win this, or France. That's 4 for Italy if they do, which means one more than Germany. That's one WC too many for them

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Date: 2006-07-05 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flambeau.livejournal.com
Apologies, dropping in from fflist and I just had to agree: Oh man, Collina was scary. Loved him. Also, so very torn about whether to root for France or Portugal, although I think it comes down to my abiding love for Figo vs my abiding love for Zizou. I might lean more towards France. unless Figo makes that sad puppy face, which is pretty much his only face. So so torn, although very clear on wanting whoever wins to go on to beat Italy. *g*

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Date: 2006-07-05 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobelia321.livejournal.com
I just heard on the radio: Figo won't be starting!!! Injury!!!

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Date: 2006-07-05 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flambeau.livejournal.com
woe! But it does solve my problem, I guess.

*goes to make little tricolor to wave*

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Date: 2006-07-05 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobelia321.livejournal.com
The radio was wrong!!!

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Date: 2006-07-05 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junalele.livejournal.com
Thank you for that spot on analysis of men, football and homosocial desires which have to be supressed to stay real men. Which is totally stupid.
I once saw a tv feature about homosexuality in football (they did not mention even *one* gay and out player) and they did interview a football player. A professional one who said that he doesn't have anything against gays in principal but the idea of showering with a gay man... And you know I can even understand that argument because I wouldn't necessariyl want to shower with a man or lesbian either but as if there weren't ways around that. I hate that stupid argument!

Because I am obsessed with Cristiano Ronaldo weeping. And if he loses against France, he will weep. And I will tape it.
THAT is not a good reason why Portugal should lose! Hey! They have to win! Also you'll be probably seeing Cristianochen anyway because he also tends to weep when he's happy. So there!:)

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Date: 2006-07-05 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wanderlost.livejournal.com
Because I am obsessed with Cristiano Ronaldo weeping. And if he loses against France, he will weep. And I will tape it.

*cough* Is it bad that this is the only reason why I'd want Portugal to lose? He's so pretty when he cries. So pretty.

I don't know of any footballers who are gay and 'out'

There have been rumours about these two: Freddie and Peter Jöback

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Date: 2006-07-05 06:10 pm (UTC)
ext_11796: (chivalric)
From: [identity profile] lapin-agile.livejournal.com
Does Pierluigi Collina actually look like Bengt Ekerot (who played Death in Bergman's The Seventh Seal) or is it just that picture? (I can see why the lads on the pitch, ladyboys or not, would have been seriously frightened of him!)

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Date: 2006-07-05 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdgerhl.livejournal.com
I don't know of any footballers who are gay and 'out' (Flist, anybody?)
how about justin fashanu (rip)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Fashanu

b.x :(

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Date: 2006-07-05 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] made-up.livejournal.com
Yes, poor Justin. :(

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Date: 2006-07-05 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheldrake.livejournal.com
Ah, you got there before me, of course.

Horribly sad.

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Date: 2006-07-05 06:41 pm (UTC)
ext_1107: (Ewan McGregor)
From: [identity profile] elaran.livejournal.com
Pierluigi Collina, Italy
HOMG yes he was so awesome!

But C.Ronaldo cries when he's happy too right? :P Livi convinced me that I should go for Portugal cos then he'll take his shirt off too. :D

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Date: 2006-07-05 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tansu.livejournal.com
There are currently no out gay footballers. Your analysis of homophobia and patriarchy in football is pretty much spot on. There are variations on how footballers present themselves, but by God their masculinity must be HETEROSEXUAL or the whole bloody world will collapse. And [i]too much[/i] variation from standard factory issue hegemonic masculinity is "punished"* by rumour of of OMG he might be GAY - see snappy dresser Freddie Ljungberg and the rumours about his sexuality.


*punished in the opinion of those enforcing the norm, there would in fact be nothing wrong with being actually gay.


The hate against Ronaldo is stupid. The worst that could be said is that he was a bit "busy", i.e. interfering. Other Manchester United players have approached referees and argued for a favourable decision in the past - enough so that they're well known for it. The only difference is that Ronaldo treated this as a transferrable skill rather than as a Man U specific ritual. Of course if a Portuguese player had trodden on an English player's knackers, other English players would have mentioned it to the referee. The irrationality in pundit and public discourse about football is bloody weird, sometimes.

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Date: 2006-07-05 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junalele.livejournal.com
Argh, I'm totally blaming you for Portugal's loss. :) And just because you wanted to see Cristiano cry - which he didn't. Damn it. He could at least have cried prettily and traded his shirt. :/

Also I agree with tansu: a very spot on analysis. Oh, and thank you for that bit of information about the Manchester fair play. :)

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Date: 2006-07-05 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junalele.livejournal.com
Okay fine, so he did cry prettily... *feels grumpy and sooo sad*



Poor baby!

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Date: 2006-07-05 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laduchesse.livejournal.com
well, he was tearing... i know, NOT ENOUGH. gah!

*tears*

i am going to the park to mourn as i have officially disturbed the peace in my apartment complex

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Date: 2006-07-05 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] junalele.livejournal.com
*stiffles a sob*

The park? Now? What time is it where you are?

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Date: 2006-07-05 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laduchesse.livejournal.com
yes, Ro was tearing very prettily.

*tears*

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Date: 2006-07-05 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeproof.livejournal.com
I'd forgotten about the match and was trying to find a quiet place in Shepherd's Market to have a drink with a friend. This was not possible, and so I now know the Portugese for 'You French are Wankers' (approximate translation) sung to the tune of 'John Brown's Body'.

What fun to see Collina's 'Don't Even Think About it' expression coming after those other identikit refs - I miss his terrifyingbald stare...

I hope the tears were satisfyingly crystalline and plentiful.

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Date: 2006-07-05 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobelia321.livejournal.com
He did weep but the cameras only showed a nanosecond of it and strangely, I was so disappointed by Portugal's defeat that I couldn't enjoy the tears to their full. *feels odd and decides to go to bed*

Sweetie! You're alive! Aren't we seeing each other sometime soon??

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Date: 2006-07-06 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] childeproof.livejournal.com
Absolutely. Will e-mail you.

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Date: 2006-07-06 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tansu.livejournal.com
Of interest: an article in July's Out magazine on the men who men love, titled "Sporno". http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=18728

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Date: 2006-07-06 12:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tansu.livejournal.com
"whom", duh.

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